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varkarrus 03-10-2009 05:28 PM

God.
 
Somebody REALLY had to make this topic. It's about discussing the existence of God. And whether his first name is Allah or Yahwei.

The one thing I have to post is that creationists can't deny the fact that evolution has been observed in laboratories. You can still say that it could have never made something as complex as an eye, but you still can't deny at least MINOR traces of evolution.

Kerma 03-10-2009 05:55 PM

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I'm afraid that this topic will quickly turn into a flamewar and be closed, but before that happens, I believe in evolution, nothing else.

CheeseLord 03-10-2009 06:07 PM

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The argument by creationists isn't that evolution couldn't have occurred, but that it didn't. We've shown it could have, but that in no way proves that it must have happened. I think this sums it up much better than I could.

I don't really believe in a God, as I find the idea that an omnipotent being spontaneously came into existence slightly less probable than any other theory on the origins of the universe. That said, I don't really find the theories about the big bang plausible either. I don't see how anything could come from nothing. The only explanation I can see is that the universe has always been.

sonicchaos1993 03-10-2009 06:58 PM

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It may be possible for there to be a God, but I think that science is revealing more and more about the past, so it is also likely that there isn't one.

However, I don't discount the idea of a God altogether, as I believe in psychic powers, which are similar to the powers of a deity, except much weaker.

Wesley 03-10-2009 09:50 PM

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I'm not sure about this. I like to think of God as a more symbolic form. It represents the goodness in humanity, and the hope for a better future. However, there actually being something that created us all, and has total power... I don't think that's what happened. But also, I'm not sure about Evolution. ...It's something I don't really like to think about...

death 03-10-2009 09:57 PM

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I'm not sure. It depends on what type of day I'm having.

The fact that people use God as an excuse to justify their cause does not help though.

TyTBone 03-10-2009 11:11 PM

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All I know is I've become ashamed of the "Religious Right".

WackieWatty 03-11-2009 02:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by varkarrus (Post 240343)
The one thing I have to post is that creationists can't deny the fact that evolution has been observed in laboratories. You can still say that it could have never made something as complex as an eye, but you still can't deny at least MINOR traces of evolution.

Or this may be crazy scientists mistaking adaptation for random mutations that mean that some animals survive and others don't (evolution). Hmm...

Max 03-11-2009 05:23 AM

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Well I don't currently believe in anything, so there, though I do have some believe in te existence of god because the universe couldn't have made itself, and thinking about how anything happened makes my head hurts.

SpiderPumpkin 03-11-2009 05:58 AM

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This debate seems to currently be taking placing in the comments on one of my YouTube videos for whatever reason, and has been taking place so many times in the past that I'm getting sick and tired of it and it never actually results in anything anyway.

That said, the primordial forces created Ra, who created the other gods and goddesses and the universe. Evolution happened and still happens, but was and is caused by Ra and the neteru.

Crabwarrior 03-11-2009 07:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CheeseLord (Post 240352)
The argument by creationists isn't that evolution couldn't have occurred, but that it didn't.

That may be true, but a theist isn't the same as a creationist, if creationists believe the universe was spontaneously created. Many people who believe in God believe He guided evolution.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CheeseLord (Post 240352)
I don't really believe in a God, as I find the idea that an omnipotent being spontaneously came into existence slightly less probable than any other theory on the origins of the universe.

The argument is not that He spontaneously came into being, but that He was always there.

bowserfan 03-11-2009 08:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by varkarrus (Post 240343)
Somebody REALLY had to make this topic

Absolutely no...
god is the only thing i HATE to say.
Also, i don't beleive in him.
ARGH!
*Asplodes from topic*

Mr.Onion 03-11-2009 09:04 AM

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To everyone who believes in God: What evidence do you have that your God is not the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

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Originally Posted by WackieWatty (Post 240381)
Or this may be crazy scientists mistaking adaptation for random mutations that mean that some animals survive and others don't (evolution). Hmm...

I'm confused about this. What do you mean mistaking adaptation for mutations? If things mutate totally randomly, then they adapt, and thus they evolve.

Crabwarrior 03-11-2009 09:39 AM

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You can't expect us to try to prove the existence of God if he created everything. If he created the universe and all the laws of physics, he is exempt from the boundaries that physics and time and such place on us, so you can't prove or disprove His existence using physical means. So no, I can't prove that He's not some monster, and you can't prove He doesn't exist.

Edit: actually, your question was "What evidence do you have that your God is not the Flying Spaghetti Monster?" If He were the "Flying Spaghetti Monster," he wouldn't be our God.

SpiderPumpkin 03-11-2009 09:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Onion (Post 240422)
To everyone who believes in God: What evidence do you have that your God is not the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

A belief isn't called a belief because there's supposed to be evidence, you know.

varkarrus 03-11-2009 09:41 AM

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It's possible to prove the existence of God, but only if most of the religions that are beleived today are false.

Crabwarrior 03-11-2009 09:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by varkarrus (Post 240429)
It's possible to prove the existence of God, but only if most of the religions that are beleived today are false.

How would you go about "proving" the existence of God?

Mr.Onion 03-11-2009 09:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SpiderPumpkin (Post 240428)
A belief isn't called a belief because there's supposed to be evidence, you know.

There's an important difference between a belief that is backed by evidence and one that isn't: Believing things without question or backing leads to being taken advantage of.

death 03-11-2009 09:53 AM

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I, as a reject christian (I was baptised as a baby, but I do not consider myself a christian) hope that God is much better than the bible declares him to be. For a god that would allow his creations to suffer all eternity, is not a god I would wish to meet.

However, I am appalled at how hypocritic some of the religious right can be. They seem obsessed over... obsession. It's hard for me to describe.

I'm pretty sure that I can safely say that no one in hamumu falls in this catagory (there was one, but they are no longer active)

SpiderPumpkin 03-11-2009 10:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Onion (Post 240437)
There's an important difference between a belief that is backed by evidence and one that isn't:

If you know/can prove that a belief is true, it's not a belief anymore.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Onion
Believing things without question or backing leads to being taken advantage of.

All answers to questions, particularly questions related to the origin of the universe and whatnot, are things made up by humans who do not know better, since mankind will never be able to comprehend the universe. "Science" is the act of coming up with "logical explanations" that can be understood by the human mind, and for that very reason, are already false.


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