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REACTOR 06-22-2016 08:17 PM

Can We Believe The "Experts"?
 
Statistics are buzzing all over the internet that behaviourial "experts" have done several studies that show that men with beards are several times more likely to cheat their partners and participate in illegal activities than their clean shaven counterparts.

Is there bias here?

I think yes. What comes to mind when you think of clean shaven men?

The US soldier! Prided with being sharp, clean shaven, reliable, trustworthy, loyal and always ready for duty. It's also interesting how in movies, the steady and hardworking characters are those without beards such as in one of the recent Superman movies where he is clean shaven. Have you also noticed that in Iron Man Tony Stark while a genius is a drunk and a wisecrack; but the curious thing is that he has some facial hair.

It's very interesting that these "official and legit experts" who specialise in the "behavourial sciences" would be pushing such supposedly "true" statistics. I think it's simply bias, similar to sexual and racial discrimination. It's also very provoking that they would come up with such "facts" since the USA is still tied in a war with "Islamic terrorists". As you would notice from being around many Arabs, a lot of them have beards.

seamonkey 06-22-2016 08:58 PM

Re: Can We Believe The "Experts"?
 
Is anyone else reminded of the diner scene from the (not hamumu appropriate) movie Black Dynamite? I dunno why, but this topic reminds me of that.

Anyway yes we can trust experts, that's how peer review works.

HappyStikBeaver 06-22-2016 10:14 PM

ayyliens
 
Oh wow I was really lost on this post until the last sentence. Maybe rethink your opener because this sounded like one of those faux-conspiracy theories at first.

REACTOR 06-23-2016 02:38 AM

Re: ayyliens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HappyStikBeaver (Post 349713)
Oh wow I was really lost on this post until the last sentence. Maybe rethink your opener because this sounded like one of those faux-conspiracy theories at first.

Putting that to one side, why would it be ludicrous to think that there is some social engineering going on?

hyperme 06-23-2016 01:21 PM

Re: Can We Believe The "Experts"?
 
If you spend more time learning and less time constructing bizarre beard-themed conspiracies, I think everyone would be happier.

seamonkey 06-23-2016 05:56 PM

Re: Can We Believe The "Experts"?
 
You might even call them...hair-brained conspiracies.

I'll show myself out.

REACTOR 06-23-2016 06:19 PM

Re: Can We Believe The "Experts"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hyperme (Post 349715)
If you spend more time learning and less time constructing bizarre beard-themed conspiracies, I think everyone would be happier.

But learning what? What do you mean by that?

seamonkey 06-24-2016 03:29 AM

Re: Can We Believe The "Experts"?
 
I'll attempt to explain hyperme's comment.

REACTOR this idea is so misguided it's really difficult to know where to begin, or which issue with your thinking to address first. I'll attempt to explain where you've gone wrong, but ultimately I don't know how helpful I'll be.

You seem to have come across a study, one that is presumably reproducible, and decided that the study is an attempt to socially engineer large populations to perceive negatively. For starters you don't provide any evidence that this is true. You just assert it. If you want to make a claim this big you need dozens of citations documenting examples of what you perceive to be true.

You also need to explain your idea in way more detail. Who is doing the social engineering? Why? How? etc. None of these three questions are answered in your original post, and I think answering any one of the three proves that this idea is simply not true.

You also need to think about ways to test your ideas. Presumably you stumbled across a study that was originally posted in an academic journal. This implies that it has been extensively peer reviewed, and thus that it can be trusted. Even if it hasn't been peer reviewed a core tenet of the scientific method is that an experiment is reproducible, providing further more checks against the kind of abuse you allege.

Lastly you should develop your critical thinking skills - literally criticize your own arguments. Spend time thinking about why you might be wrong. It'll help you in the long run.

REACTOR 06-24-2016 03:40 AM

Re: Can We Believe The "Experts"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by seamonkey (Post 349718)
I'll attempt to explain hyperme's comment.

REACTOR this idea is so misguided it's really difficult to know where to begin, or which issue with your thinking to address first. I'll attempt to explain where you've gone wrong, but ultimately I don't know how helpful I'll be.

You seem to have come across a study, one that is presumably reproducible, and decided that the study is an attempt to socially engineer large populations to perceive negatively. For starters you don't provide any evidence that this is true. You just assert it. If you want to make a claim this big you need dozens of citations documenting examples of what you perceive to be true.

You also need to explain your idea in way more detail. Who is doing the social engineering? Why? How? etc. None of these three questions are answered in your original post, and I think answering any one of the three proves that this idea is simply not true.

You also need to think about ways to test your ideas. Presumably you stumbled across a study that was originally posted in an academic journal. This implies that it has been extensively peer reviewed, and thus that it can be trusted. Even if it hasn't been peer reviewed a core tenet of the scientific method is that an experiment is reproducible, providing further more checks against the kind of abuse you allege.

Lastly you should develop your critical thinking skills - literally criticize your own arguments. Spend time thinking about why you might be wrong. It'll help you in the long run.

Ahh, I see. Okay, thanks for the meaning of that post. It was certainly helpful. I guess I have some searching to do then.


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