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Old 06-28-2010, 09:55 PM   #1
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Have you ever "woken up" in a dream... without actually waking up? In other words, have you ever been in the middle of a dream when your mind wakes up and realizes that it's dreaming but your body doesn't. If you have, you know that it's really cool. You can do anything and everything you ever wanted, manipulating every one of your senses at a whim. Or maybe you've had a spiritual experience during a dream, where you felt like you received a message from God, felt a certain oneness with the universe, or saw scenes from a past life?

Some people claim that lucid dreaming is your mind wandering into a different spiritual dimension. Others claim it is simply a controlled firing of neutrons during sleep. Either way, it's a very cool experience. Have you ever wondered, however, if you could have these lucid dreams any time you wanted? Well, you can. It's called lucidology, and it's a topic Moontrousers and i have recently became very intrigued with. I found this website, which is a compilation of pretty much everything a casual dreamer would want to know about lucid dreaming, along with a friendly forum much like ours except dedicated to lucidology instead of Dumb Games(TM):

http://www.ld4all.com/guide.html

This site is 100% free to use, although they do sell a few instructional books and films, all the basic knowledge you need to lucid dream is available for free on the website. The books and films are just for people who want more in-depth scientific info on the subject. I know this may look like an ad, but I'm simply very excited about the topic. There are tons of reasons why:

1. I'm a bit of an insomniac. Insomnia, for those who don't know, is difficulty falling asleep or entering REM sleep. Some basic techniques for rapidly falling asleep are listed, and the WILD technique specializes in quickly falling straight from full conciousness into REM sleep.

2. A lot of religious experiences occur in partially lucid dreams. For atheists this probably doesn't mean a lot, but it does have meaning to some agnostics and most people of any faith.

3. It is a good place to imagine. A lot of great works of art, whether they be paintings, poetry, or music, were actually written inside a dream, sometimes a lucid dream.

4. If you get good at the RC method or the MILD method, you can go from a nightmare to a lucid dream, allowing you to conquer your fears, either physically dominating them or reconcile yourself with them using the Power of Love. And it don't take money, fame, or a credit card to ride that train.

5. It's fun! Flying, shapeshifting, slaying dragons and demons, traveling the universe, pulling pranks on teachers and bosses, and communicating with your soul are all possible in a lucid dream. I have personally tried shapeshifting in one of the two lucid dreams I've had, and it does actually feel like you are in a different body.

So, I have not yet recently mastered any of these methods. Moontrousers got a hold of them pretty quickly, but he has the ability to quickly calm his mind and phase out that I don't. I intend to try and try until I succeed with WILD, and once I get back into a sleep schedule (summer break has thrown mine completely off) I'll definitely try WBTB.

If you're wondering what all those weird terms are, here's a basic description (you could also look on the site linked to earlier)

MILD- Mnemonic Induced Lucid Dream. Training one's subconcious to wake itself up in a dream.

WILD- Wake Induced Lucid Dream. Purposely putting oneself in sleep paralysis to go directly to REM without ever losing conciousness.

WBTB- Wake Back To Bed. Waking up early to interrupt one's sleep schedule, staying up for around an hour, and then going back to bed and using a form of MILD. Generally found to be the most effective method if you can make time for it.

RC- Reality Check. Training one's subconciousness during the day to check for things that are consistent in the real world but may not be in a dream world. Attempting to puncture one's palm with one's finger, attempting to telepathically lift objects, checking digital clocks for foreign symbols, and flipping light switches are common checks.

So, as I mentioned earlier, I have not mastered any of these methods, although I've tried WILD multiple times. I learned some new techniques for it, so hopefully those will work tonight. Anyhow, feel free to discuss anything and everything about lucid dreaming in this thread.
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Old 06-29-2010, 02:55 AM   #2
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I have heared of lucid dreaming a while ago, but didn't really get into it a lot. However, I am definitelly going to try it this summer. Thanks for bringing it up.
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I have tried for about a month, but I was able to do it only once. It was quite fun.
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I usually have pre-lucid dreams, but I never had lucid dreams. I'll try doing this.
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Old 06-29-2010, 08:46 AM   #5
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Today I learned that I've been having "Pre-lucide" dreams all my life. Although for me, it's not really "Oh man guys, I'm flying and solving crime all day and night!" it's more reflecting upon my life playing it out as though I would have made different choices and such, which is always insightful.
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Old 06-29-2010, 10:54 AM   #6
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So, last night I tried WILD. The technique listed here would have worked, and my legs were actually paralyzed when I failed, but I got "DOA" by Bloodrock stuck in my head. That song has a nightmare-inducing organ riff in it. I'm going to try WILD again tonight after getting something much more relaxing stuck in my head. Let me tell you, sleep paralysis is a very strange feeling, and I can see how people used to tie demons and aliens into waking sleep paralysis.
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Old 06-29-2010, 04:10 PM   #7
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I'm going to try WILD tonight too. I read once that it's much easier to do WILD after midnight. In my experience, it's worked better that way, too: I never got anywhere with WILD at 10:00, but I got my legs completely paralyzed last night at 1:30.

Also, Moltanem, as said on the site linked, everyone dreams. Not everyone remembers them, however.

Also, for anyone trying MILD, this thread on the LD forums looks like it may be handy: http://www.ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5253
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Old 06-29-2010, 05:04 PM   #8
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I can't lucid dream. I've tried, but my mind just gets pulled into the dream. It's really annoying.
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Old 06-29-2010, 05:46 PM   #9
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I've tried lucid dreaming a few times, and succeeded a few times. I had some good experiences, one of hopping around from cloud to cloud, the other of jumping from the roof of my house and flying to the center of the galaxy, where I traveled through a black hole, which, interestingly, awoke me. But I also had some bad experiences. Once, while trying to have a WILD, during sleep paralysis, I experienced hypnogogic hallucinations, which are false mentally-induced stimulations of any or all of the senses as the mind and body begin to dream. During this time, I heard voices standing right next to me which scared me back to full consciousness. Another time, during a dream, I was attempting to do a reality check and made the mistake of looking into a mirror, which can be very disturbing during a dream. This is probably due to the mind not being awake enough to reproduce an exact reflection, and thus produces images which may be blurred or disturbing, as was my case: I didn't have a head, but instead a formless blob of skin atop my neck. But, for the few bad things, there were many good things, and I recommend trying this to anyone willing. Just avoid reflective surfaces!
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Good thing it took the mirror out of my room! For some reason 90% of my dreams begin in my room, either waking up, getting up from my computer chair, or walking out of it.

I need to get outside more.
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I've had hypnogogic hallucinations before, although not while trying to WILD. Generally they take the form of someone yelling in my ear.

EDIT: About to go to bed. Here's my checklist for tonight:

1. Use WILD.
2. Rub hands together while calming myself down, per suggestion on the forum.
3. Spin around and fall down to "stabilize" the dream, again per suggestion on the ld4all forum.
4. Take the Lucid Pill, a technique normally practiced by lucid dreamers to enhance lucid dreams.
5. Transport to a fantasy universe using the door trick (opening a door in a lucid dream while telling yourself what's beyond the door. Works with mirrors too, although only look use it after you are lucid to avoid what Chaucer described earlier from happening.) to enter a fantasy realm and engage in an epic battle against demons and the undead.

I'll come back tomorrow and tell everyone how well it worked.
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Old 06-30-2010, 05:30 PM   #12
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So, anyone have to-do lists for their lucid dreams? Mine is this pretty generic list (for now):

1. Fly
2. Participate in an epic fantasy battle
3. Shapeshift
4. Attend the Imaginations Through the Looking Glass concert.
5. Play stuff on my guitar and drums that I couldn't play IRL.
6. Go back in time and shoot Hitler before America becomes involved in WWII, and then go forward in time to 2010.
7. Use the door trick to enter Mario Kart Wii as Mario.
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1. Fly
2. Transform into Thrall from Warcraft
3. Take over the world as an all powerful necromancer
4. Participate as a sniper in WW1
5. Invent a Flux Capacitor
6. Meet all of the great tacticians of the ancient world and middle ages and learn from them.

Tonight, I'm keeping it simple and just going to try and keep my bearings, maybe nothing major until i gain some confidence in my abilities to interact with my dream world.
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I've had a hypo... whatever hallucination a few times. one time when I was younger, I was being masaged by my mom, shes good at that, and I was so relaxed I fell asleep, with my eyes open. it was odd, the soda can infront of me seemed to change...

another was when I was napping a few weeks ago, I was in that in between sleep and awake state, when I heard this low growling "ah" type sound in my ear, it scared me awake.

edit: also, it's still a dream, happystickman. you probably won't be able to learn from people of the ancient world.

my list:

1. fly (already did in a non-lucid dream)
2. open doors that lead to realms from my imagination.
3. not appropriate to describe
4. force hillary clinton to watch a non-stop marathon of the most gorey video games (for my own amusement)
5. attempt to go to sleep (if you can actually sleep in a dream)
6. there is no number 6
7. shapeshift into some of my fictional characters

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You can only "learn" stuff that you already knew. In other words, you can re-learn stuff that's gotten lost in your subconcious, but you can't learn anything new.

And YW, the whole point of MILD is to improve your dream recall so you can lucid dream. And WILD doesn't even involve dream recall, although it's hard for most people to do.

And Moontrousers would like everyone to know he got WILD to work last night and ended up fighting a war between tribes of winged humans.
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I have read a bunch of books on samurai swordmanship, along with some internet works on Roman and Greek military tactics. I just don't remember them. Plus it would be awesome to train with Genghis Khan or Pericles.
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Well I attempted it last night, not sure if it was MILD or WILD, I didn't remember most of the info from the site mentioned in the first post, but I got reaaaaalllllly close, like, extremely close to doing it. But I wasn't able to focus on the phrase I was repeating in my head well enough. It was still a wonderful experience though, being in what would probably be classified as a trance, not even conscious of breathing, stress, the aches and sores that come with being alive. Time also passed by really fast, and really slow, which was my clue later of how close to a lucid dream I really was. Because as most of you know dreams sometimes seem to take a minute but last half the night, or seem to span over the course of a day yet really lasts 5 minutes. Anyways, I'm going to try this again tonight, if I got close on my first try, then hopefully I'll get even close, or succeed on try #2!
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You can only "learn" stuff that you already knew. In other words, you can re-learn stuff that's gotten lost in your subconcious, but you can't learn anything new.

And YW, the whole point of MILD is to improve your dream recall so you can lucid dream. And WILD doesn't even involve dream recall, although it's hard for most people to do.

And Moontrousers would like everyone to know he got WILD to work last night and ended up fighting a war between tribes of winged humans.
Ya I did get WILD to work, and the the whole air-born war was pretty epic. Later I will post details of the whole dream and the one I had last night because it was continuing it. But first let me say that flying is such an incredible feeling due to some hyper-realism, and something i find cool is that when i awoke my back muscles were quite sore around where the wings were.... so... ya like I said earlier i will post the details of the dream on this thread later on today or tomorrow.
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I fell asleep attempting WILD, before I could get lucid. I woke up around 3:00 and tried to use MILD, but the dream I had was too hazy to get it to work. I am now doing reality checks every time I go though a door, so maybe that will help.
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1. I can't even do this, because I can't remember my dreams, so I am really jealous.
2. I thought WILD had to do something with injections and drugs, whick one of the two i am extremely terrified of.
So, Yeah, this whole topic has had a mental impct on me.
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