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Old 03-11-2009, 09:46 PM   #41
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It is the thing you conveniently cut out of my post!

they tend to do that :P

theres this one kid at my school, he always retaliates before one can finish talking.

During the elections we were talking about obama. I said "Well, I like obama because he has a different sort of appearance than-" he chimed in "he's voting for him because he's black! what an idiot!" (he wasn't being funny, he was being critical)

not that that has to do with THIS discussion, I just find it funny how certain people like to cut out the important parts of a statement to prove their point.

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This part is funny. All "evidence" that science has is entirely made up by humans based on observations of things they believe to understand. That's exactly as much evidence as religion has.
I'm pretty sure people didn't see god create the earth in six days. I am also pretty sure that people didn't see the end of the world... which hasn't happened yet. I do admit that much of the bible is historically accurate, however, there is evidence that some of the events (noahs arc, the parting of the waters by moses...) were blown out of proportion


and... yeah. Those fossils of dinosaurs in museums don't really exist, they are entirely made up by humans :P

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The bible is adapted from a Mesopotamian Text, so maybe our god is something completely differ from theirs. Also, some bible stories were based off of happenings in Mesopotamia.
that was noahs arc. there was a flood in mespotamia (no, not the entire world, just mesopotamia.) a farmer gathered his farm animals, and his wife, and built a boat out of the materials he had handy.

Yes this is a triple post, but it takes awhile to sort through religious topics.

in response to megadog:

brilliant. absolutely brilliant. in all my years (3) as a seeker of truth, that never occured to me.

I think that if there is a heaven and a heck, I think they would be the same. The tourture of heck is the eternal guilt of all you have done in your lifetime (inspired by an episode of the twilight zone)

Edit: wow that was close.
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:16 PM   #42
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if god ... is everything
I wouldn't say He's everything.
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:39 PM   #43
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It's a quote from the bible, so .
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Old 03-12-2009, 01:06 AM   #44
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It's a quote from the bible, so .
Verse, please?
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Old 03-12-2009, 03:19 AM   #45
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time made befor all ellas so theair i win case closed
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Old 03-12-2009, 05:53 AM   #46
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So am I, I'm just going to forget this thread since reading it is making my head hurt.
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Old 03-12-2009, 11:21 AM   #47
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Verse, please?
Sorry, I can't remember the verse (I opened the bible and there it was. Honest to science!). Also, it might be different to yours, as there are lots of different bibles around (They get slightly changed, eg. A really old bible stated that you should kill anyone you think is a witch or know is a non-believer of the christian faith.)
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Old 03-12-2009, 11:52 AM   #48
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lol. the word of god may be in the bible, but not everything in the bible is the word of god.
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:41 PM   #49
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Ah God. The being seen to have omnipotence, omniscience and omnibenevolence. however, if he exsists, he cannot be all three. And can prove it:

In Eden, God forbid Adam and Eve from eating the forbidden fruit. However, they ate it. If God has omniscience, he would know they would eat the fruit. If he then had omnibenevolence, he would not of put the tree there as it would lead to suffering. If he couldn't stop the tree being there, he can't have omnipotence. Therefore:

1)God could not stop the tree, and does not have omnipotence.
2)God didn't know Adam and Eve would eat the fruit, and does not have omniscience
3)God wanted the fruit eaten, leading Adam and Eve to be cast from the garden.

If he exsists, to me God is a type 3. Since you'd need omnpotence and omniscience to do many of the bible things. And also, if Satan's Relm exsists, why would God send people there if he was omnibenevolent?

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Omniscience = All-Knowing
Omnibenevolence = All-Loving
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:58 PM   #50
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And Omnipresence: Being everywhere at once.

Why I think parts of the bible are bad:

Most of the bible is innappropriate lust sins and violence. E.g, 2 daugthers wanted to... you know... to their father because their father wanted another child and this was considered good! There was also the time a father gave his daughters as a lust sin gift so that the villagers would spare the life of a man who was really an angel in disguise. THIS WAS ALSO CONSIDERED GOOD! The daughters had no say in it!

Plus: He who plants beets with wheat MUST BE STONED! This appears to be an excuse by whoever wrote that part of the bible to stone someone he didn't like. Case in point.
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The Bible was originally written 2000 years ago, where stonings were commonplace and woman were treated as, basically, property.
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Old 03-12-2009, 02:30 PM   #52
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Quick question about eveloution - if people evolved from monkeys, and both monkeys AND people are still around... why aren't there half-people half-monkeys around
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Old 03-12-2009, 02:31 PM   #53
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Because people didn't evolve from monkeys.
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It's like this:

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Ah God. The being seen to have omnipotence, omniscience and omnibenevolence. however, if he exsists, he cannot be all three. And can prove it:

In Eden, God forbid Adam and Eve from eating the forbidden fruit. However, they ate it. If God has omniscience, he would know they would eat the fruit. If he then had omnibenevolence, he would not of put the tree there as it would lead to suffering. If he couldn't stop the tree being there, he can't have omnipotence. Therefore:

1)God could not stop the tree, and does not have omnipotence.
2)God didn't know Adam and Eve would eat the fruit, and does not have omniscience
3)God wanted the fruit eaten, leading Adam and Eve to be cast from the garden.

If he exsists, to me God is a type 3. Since you'd need omnpotence and omniscience to do many of the bible things. And also, if Satan's Relm exsists, why would God send people there if he was omnibenevolent?

Big Word Guide:
Omnipotence = All-Powerful
Omniscience = All-Knowing
Omnibenevolence = All-Loving
See, here's the only explanation I can come up with: God knew that it would happen but also knew free will to be better than being a robot in paradise, and also knew He could redeem us later... as for why people still can suffer, the answer is that God also possesses omnijustice, and cannot contradict what He has already said. Ah well. Pretty much the only thing I know is that Atheism is both a bad bet and depressing and that it seems to me that it takes more faith to believe that the world came about by chance than that there was at the very least a loaded die somewhere, whoever may have put that there.
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I'm trying really, really hard to avoid making a FSM joke here.
But regardless of the fact that there may of may not be a god, can't we all just get along? Is it really that hard? Aside from the occasional murder cult, every religion is true in some way.
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Great. I forgot what I was going to say.

Uh... I don't need a God to make my life interesting.
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Old 03-12-2009, 05:08 PM   #58
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I myself am floating i do however believe in supernatural forces
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I find it rather bizarre that there was no apparent effect whatsoever of my previous post on this thread.
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I'm trying really, really hard to avoid making a FSM joke here.
But regardless of the fact that there may of may not be a god, can't we all just get along? Is it really that hard? Aside from the occasional murder cult, every religion is true in some way.
First point: Already done. Actually FSMism seems a lot more reasonable than some other religions I could name (my own opinion).

Second point: Yeah, sure... if by "true" you mean "has a beneficial effect on society", or "some statements they make are true"... but not very many pairs of religions that I know of can have their cores both true.
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