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Old 06-27-2010, 05:18 AM   #1
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I couldn't believe it when my ex-wife called yesterday and asked if I knew about the riotting downtown and what should we do about meeting my son? I wish people would go and riot in their own neighbourhoods and leave downtown alone. I'm going downtown shortly and I hope to see some of the damage that I read about in the news firsthand; apparently Future Shop for example got trashed.

I'll let you know later how it goes. Hopefully I won't get tear-gassed.
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Old 06-27-2010, 05:55 AM   #2
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I couldn't believe it when my ex-wife called yesterday and asked if I knew about the riotting downtown and what should we do about meeting my son? I wish people would go and riot in their own neighbourhoods and leave downtown alone. I'm going downtown shortly and I hope to see some of the damage that I read about in the news firsthand; apparently Future Shop for example got trashed.

I'll let you know later how it goes. Hopefully I won't get tear-gassed.
Why won't those idiots go trash their own homes? It is not your property, and others being idiots should definitely not make you think you have the right to damage others' properties. I say police should use firearms against rioters, to stop it once and for all. If your government steps on you, do something to THEM, not some poor shopkeeper.

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A person is a rational, thinking being.

People are idiots.

In a group, people feel lessresponsible and more conformitive.
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Old 06-27-2010, 07:18 AM   #4
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I say police should use firearms against rioters, to stop it once and for all.
But then the rioters will carry guns too and they will consider it justified.
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But then the rioters will carry guns too and they will consider it justified.
rioters are unorganised while policemen are trained, you do the math
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rioters are unorganised while policemen are trained, you do the math
The police would definitely have to call in backup, that's what I predict would happen.
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rioters are unorganised while policemen are trained, you do the math
Rioters + Firearms = Oh [insert diety here] the death and destruction
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The police would definitely have to call in backup, that's what I predict would happen.
There is always the option of the air strike, getting rid of the rioters
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There is always the option of the air strike, getting rid of the rioters
But you'd damage the area being rioted in!

And get done for human rights abuse. Mass murder can only make a probably worse.
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Old 06-27-2010, 07:51 AM   #10
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rioters are unorganised while policemen are trained, you do the math
*does the math*

Something similar happened in Britain, in 1972. 26 people died.
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Old 06-27-2010, 08:21 AM   #11
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I couldn't believe it when my ex-wife called yesterday and asked if I knew about the riotting downtown and what should we do about meeting my son? I wish people would go and riot in their own neighbourhoods and leave downtown alone. I'm going downtown shortly and I hope to see some of the damage that I read about in the news firsthand; apparently Future Shop for example got trashed.

I'll let you know later how it goes. Hopefully I won't get tear-gassed.
Future Shop did not prepare for it's future.

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Why won't those idiots go trash their own homes? It is not your property, and others being idiots should definitely not make you think you have the right to damage others' properties. I say police should use firearms against rioters, to stop it once and for all. If your government steps on you, do something to THEM, not some poor shopkeeper.
I guess it's because they're trying to make a statement of sorts, and they can't make their opinion known by trashing their own stuff. ...In a way, it's almost like a "mature" version of a temper-tantrum.

Like, in kindergarten, if a kid was upset about something, he'd smash toy blocks built by someone else in order to make a very loud point. Then, the one who built those blocks would also be upset, albeit for a different reason. After that was over, the teacher would come in, say, "No!" and address the initial one complaining. Doesn't that seem...a lot like what's happening now? Only more grown-up and serious? I had heard that some people never grow up, but...
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Old 06-27-2010, 08:41 AM   #12
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If officers started using real firearms to take down rioters, it would only start more riots. There have, I believe, actually been riots because the police beat a rioter with nightsticks.
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:11 AM   #13
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Bah, PCR beat me to it. Yeah, cops need to be real careful with this kind of stuff, you can't just take a mini-gun to the crowd of rioters, then we just slide down the slippery slope to anarchy. (boy I sound like the right-wing conservatives I always shake my fist at on TV)

anyways, looking up now as to the reason of the riot....

Oh yeah it's because of the G20 summit, apparently around 500 where arrested and a few people got into the off-limits area via sewer system. The cops say they're expecting more of the same.

EDIT: there were about 10,000 protesters (note: not all rioters of course)
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:20 AM   #14
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Why won't those idiots go trash their own homes? It is not your property, and others being idiots should definitely not make you think you have the right to damage others' properties. I say police should use firearms against rioters, to stop it once and for all. If your government steps on you, do something to THEM, not some poor shopkeeper.
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There is always the option of the air strike, getting rid of the rioters
Have you ever heard of the Boston Massacre? Guess what that ushered in. Pro-tip: Killing rioters is a great way to have your nation overthrown.
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:51 AM   #15
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I will say it again: If the government hurts you, attack them, not a poor shopkeeper. There is absolutely no difference between an arsonist, and a rioter who sets buildings on fire. Others doing so is not an excuse for destroying foreign property, and should be punished by death. If some idiot tried to burn my house because his friend got arrested, and I had the option to kill him, in order to save my property, I would be glad to.
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Hang on, you're seriously saying "I value my own stuff above the lives of others"? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying.
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Old 06-27-2010, 11:05 AM   #17
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Hang on, you're seriously saying "I value my own stuff above the lives of others"? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying.
If said strangers value their fun above my property, then yes.
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They're not doing it for fun, though. They're doing it to make a point about the government.
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If said strangers value their fun above my property, then yes.
You shouldn't base your values on the values of others. Using the actions of others as an excuse for your own actions in not acceptable in my opinion.
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I will say it again: If the government hurts you, attack them, not a poor shopkeeper.
If one burns down a private building, it's arson, punishable by 10 to 20 years prison. If one burns down a government building, it's treason, punishable by death. Both force government intervention.

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There is absolutely no difference between an arsonist, and a rioter who sets buildings on fire. Others doing so is not an excuse for destroying foreign property, and should be punished by death.
And I will not debate that there is a difference, but arson isn't punishable be death and there's more than one way to subdue someone.

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If some idiot tried to burn my house because his friend got arrested, and I had the option to kill him, in order to save my property, I would be glad to.
You would take a life to save your property? That's pretty harsh. Would you also call for death for attempted murderers (approximately the same sentence)? How far are you willing to go with this? Death for thieves?
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